Unapologetic insolence from an aging subversive

Unapologetic insolence from an aging subversive

Saturday, 9 April 2011

Sheik Shaken

Every now and again I succumb to the temptation to tweak the beards of some of the more extreme nutcases out there in the interweb.

It's a bad habit, I know, as I run the risk of encouraging them, but I can't resist the endless fun it provides. Below is a recent exchange. I won't post the original comment that generated the discussion, or the website it was posted on.

You have to draw the line somewhere.

The poster was smearing Ban Ki-moon because he condemned the Koran burning in Florida. Moon also condemned the resulting killings in Mazar-i-Sharif, but this was conveniently ignored,

(The Avatars didn't copy, but I couldn't be bothered removing their shadows).

“Proving yet again that violent intimidation works”
No it doesn’t, as the Yanks discovered on March 16th 1968 – it is counter-productive.
My Lai and Mazar-i-Sharif have a strange symmetry. In one, events in Vietnam influenced public opinion in the USA, in the other, events in Gainsville Florida influenced public opinion in Afghanistan.
What these two events have in common as they did no one any good and were damaging to American interests.
By the way, you conveniently avoided to mention the fact that Moon also condemned the violence against the UN workers calling it ”an outrageous and cowardly attack” .
Your arguments are Leftist & Muslim propaganda combined.
Islam is damaging to American interests.
Islam is a scourge on humanity.
You must be the last person alive who is impressed by the mealy mouthed mush coming from corrupt, incompetent UN officials.
“Islam is damaging to American interests”
Ever asked yourself the question why a religion that has been around for 1300 years has suddenly become “damaging to American interests”?
The religion hasn’t changed – the West’s reaction to it has – examine that and you might learn something.
“who is impressed” – where did I say I was impressed? Don’t put words in my mouth. I noted it because you didn’t.
“Mealy mouthed mush…..corrupt, incompetent…”
That’s name-calling – not an argument…..
“Ever asked yourself the question why a religion that has been around for 1300 years has suddenly become “damaging to American interests”?
Ever wondered why America needed a navy against the Barbary pirates?
“Mealy mouthed mush…..corrupt, incompetent…”
That’s name-calling – not an argument…..
Hardly. Learn to separate facts from tosh. They prove it every day.
“The religion hasn’t changed”
That much is true. Islam has been waging jihad against the world for 1400 years. Time to make an end to it.
The Barbary Pirates had as much to do with Islam as the IRA did with Catholicism – red herring.
“They prove it every day”‘ – gross overgeneralisation. Who are “they”? Do you mean my fruiterer down the road who sells me the best mangoes in town, but prays five times a day?
Are you referring to the pediatrician who delivered my daughters?
He’s a Muslim.
Are you referring to the Islamic population of democratic Indonesia of 239 million, for example? Are you talking about the 16% of Israelis who are Muslim? Do you mean the 74 million Muslims in Turkey or the 6 million in the USA. Do tell…..
The UN has taken on an almost impossible task – the development of worldwide peace and security, human rights and international law. They have supported millions of the most marginalised and powerless peoples worldwide. After my personal experience of war I consider the organisation, with all its faults, one of the best hopes for the future.
“Time to make an end to it” – Who are you to determine what 2 billion of the world’s population should believe?
The last time there was such a campaign of smear and vituperation against a religion, the target was the Jews, and history shows us where that led.
That Bus advert should read “Lies , Hypocrisy and Violence Islam has it all”
Our little Mohammedan or moonbat Islamophile apologist writes
“Ever asked yourself the question why a religion that has been around for 1300 years has suddenly become “damaging to American interests”?
Well apart from the fact that the USA has only existed for just over 200 years the fact is that before their ill gotten gains from Oil (which they never discovered, couldn’t recover, didn’t know how to refine and never invented anything to use it for) Islam was setting in to the sunset as a barbaric 7th Century CULT inhabiting lands which were backward Third World cesspits (which many still are Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afghanistan for example, see no oil no progress) . So they weren’t the threat to the West that they are now just to each other, Islam has to have violence it can’t exist without it. This is what Islamic lands will sink back to once “their” oil runs out. Just look at Saudi for instance Mohammedans dont work they PAY kaffirs to work for them so oil gone kaffirs gone Saudi shuts down.
I’m already getting tired of this.
In 1786, Jefferson, then the American ambassador to France, and Adams, then the American ambassador to Britain, met in London with Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja, the “Dey of Algiers” ambassador to Britain.
The Americans wanted to negotiate a peace treaty based on Congress’ vote to appease.
During the meeting Jefferson and Adams asked the Dey’s ambassador why Muslims held so much hostility towards America, a nation with which they had no previous contacts.
In a later meeting with the American Congress, the two future presidents reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja had answered that Islam “was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Quran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise.”
For the following 15 years, the American government paid the Muslims millions of dollars for the safe passage of American ships or the return of American hostages. The payments in ransom and tribute amounted to 20 percent of United States government annual revenues in 1800.
Not long after Jefferson’s inauguration as president in 1801, he dispatched a group of frigates to defend American interests in the Mediterranean, and informed Congress.
Save your spittle for the right occasion.
Of course I mean the Muslim ummah, the 1.5 gazillion muslims who scream ‘death to America’ and ‘death to Israel’ every day of the week.
“Are you talking about the 16% of Israelis who are Muslim?”
No. I’m wondering about the Jews who used to live in lands that are now occupied by Muslims. Perhaps you can tell us what happened to them? While you’re at it, perhaps you can also tell us what happened to the Armenian and Greek Christians and the Assyrians in Turkey, and in Pakistan and Bangladesh, and how the Coptic Christians in Egypt are forced to eek out an existence living under piles of garbage?
The UN has done nothing. The UN is a talking shop where 56 and a half Muslim nations bribe other corrupt officials from beggar nations to vote against Israel and America which is footing the bill for most of it.
The UN is working for “worldwide peace and security, human rights and international law?”
My ass. You must be living under a rock or working for the swine who wish to destroy us.
“Who are you to determine what 2 billion of the world’s population”- tells me that you are a Muselmanic blowboy who’s bragging, blustering and trying to intimidate me with overblown numbers of Koranimals coming to kill me if I don’t submit.
We will make an end to it because we must.
Because our culture and civilization is a million times better than the retarded cult of Islam.
And no, Muslims are not Jews.
Muslims have a genocidal mandate against Jews dating back to Muhammad. Muslims are Jew-killers.
Mullah Lodabullah April 7, 2011 at 5:53 am
* The UN has taken on an almost impossible task – the development of worldwide peace and security
That is the job of the Antichrist, who will bring ‘peace and security’, but destroy many in the process. The result of this ‘peace’ will be sudden destruction, much like the flood of Noah’s day.
Ahh the good old Mohammedan numbers game where they count all Mohammedans as one forgetting to tell you that Sunnis regard Shia as Kaffir dogs and vice versa and they both hate the Ahmaddis and the Salfists . Islam was born in violence spread by the sword and needs Terrorism and violence just to exist. Take away all the Kaffirs and they will be at each others throats just like they are NOW.
Mullah Lodabullah April 7, 2011 at 1:13 pm
Iran (aka Persia) obsesses over burnt blasphemous book – whines to Ki-Moon
[Representatives of Iran, Tajikistan, Egypt, Pakistan, Morocco, Palestine and the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) met with Ban to discuss the burning of a copy of the holy Quran at a church in the US state of Florida.
During the meeting, Khazayee said that "Quran is a holy book that includes text of other holy books, so insult to Quran is an insult to all divine faiths". ]
It is blasphemy to pass islam off as a “divine faith”, since allah is either Satan or one of his sockpuppets.
“Save your spittle for the right occasion”
I think you mean “spite”, but this still makes no sense. Indicate where my comment is “spiteful”.
I’m also struggling to fathom the relevance of your homily about the meeting of presidents-to-be. Apart from the fact that I’m an Australian, and not all that interested in what the Americans were on about all those years ago, I would have thought that the inhabitants of Algeria had a perfect right to determine what went on in their country.
This reminds me of the situation in Northern Ireland when people like Tony Blair were trying to negotiate peace after 200 years of bloody conflict.
The diehards kept bringing up the “what-about” factor, referring to past grievances – imagined or real – which would never allow for reconciliation.
Last week, a young Catholic policeman was killed, apparently by IRA extremists, but instead of riots and further killings, the catholic and protestant community united in condemnation and as one attended his funeral and followed his cort├Ęge from the church.
It was the first time in his life that the Unionist prime minister had seen the inside of a catholic church.
Thus in the midst of tragedy, there was a willingness to conciliate and hope for peace – something that would have seem a mad dream in the 1970s at the height of the troubles.
“you are a Muselmanic blowboy who’s bragging, blustering and trying to intimidate me with overblown numbers of Koranimals coming to kill me if I don’t submit” – Perhaps you should refer to your own guidelines – “Avoid tu quoque and ad hominem attacks”
Show me where I used or bluster or intimidation. I simply provided you with a list of facts.
“Muslims are Jew-killers”
Really? The professed religion of the people who killed 6 million Jews in WW2 was Christian.
Sorry bro, but I don’t have the patience to educate you.
I’m not into circular reasoning either.
This website is aptly named ‘Winds of Jihad’ and here you can educate yourself on Islam and jihad. The Brits and the Irish can sort each other out, good luck to them, its not relevant to us.
Show me where I used or bluster or intimidation.
Read your comments again. “2 billion Muslims” is clearly bluster.
‘Muslims are Jew-killers’ goes back to the time of Muhammad. The hadith calls for genocide of Jews. The Koran is full of Jew-hatred. Muhammad committed genocide on Jews and drove them out of their homelands.
Nazis didn’t kill Jews in the name of Christianity.
Nazis used imam Husseini and the Handschar Brigades to do the dirty work for them.
Muslims killed more than 300 million people and enslaved even more during their 1400 reign of terror.
“2 billion Muslims” – That’s a statement of demographic fact.
To interpret it as “bluster” indicates a perspective best diagnosed as psychotic projection.
“I’m not into circular reasoning either".
Or any other kind of reasoning, obviously.
“Winds of Jihad” is apt. “Farts of Jihad”would be even more so, given the content.
“The hadith calls for genocide of Jews.”
To quote Tarek Fatah “The poison is not coming from the Quran, but from the man-made shariah laws of the 8th and 9th centuries as well as the works of such 20th century scholars as Syed Qutb, Hassan Banna and Maudoodi” and that “The swamp that needs to be drained is the swamp created by Saudi Arabia and Iran and their call for imposition of Shariah”
This meme has nothing to do with Islam, but everything to do with modern geo-politics. You seem unable to distinguish between the faith and the politics.
Your misintepretation of both the Quran and recent Middle-Eastern history is a school of thought likely to lead to further conflict and suffering. Hate is no antedote to hate – it operates as an accelerant.
“Nazis didn’t kill Jews in the name of Christianity.”
I doubt it matters what name they were killed in – they’re just as dead.
“Muslims killed more than 300 million people”
Provide a reliable source for this statement.
Mullah Lodabullah April 8, 2011 at 3:25 am
* “2 billion Muslims” – That’s a statement of demographic fact.
How many will be buried at Hamangog, in order to cleanse the Holy Land? (Ezekiel 38 / 39). Will need a serious mass grave to hold that lot.
Okay, from mush to the inevitable insults.
Tarek Fatah is a jerk. He doesn’t even know that Aisha was 6 when Moe married her and raped her with nine.
Tarek is no scholar. Sheik yer’mami is a scholar.
Tarek has a following of One. Tarek Fatah.
Islam is a socio-political ideology. Sharia is Islam. You can’t separate the two.
If you find any “misinterpretation” here you are most welcome to correct it.
Besides, it is fundamental to note that the Nazis didn’t kill one single soul to make Christianity the dominant religion.
Muslims kill and die for allah. (Koran 9:111)
Muhammad gave them a mandate to make the world Islamic.
You should know because you’re one.
Better get to know your stuff before you come blowing smoke up my butt.
“Tarek Fatah is a jerk. He doesn’t even know that Aisha was 6 when Moe married her and raped her with (sic) nine.”
Who’s “Moe”, and with nine what?
Your ignorance of the culture of the time of Aisha’s betrothal to Muhammad is astounding for someone who claims to be an authority on Islam.
‘She was the daughter of Abu Bakr, one of the Muhammad’s closest companions and one of the first converts to Islam. Aisha was contracted to the Prophet Muhammad at an age given variously as between 9 and 12 years, although her marriage was not consummated until after puberty (usually given as between 12 and 16 years of age), at which point she became marriageable according to the standards of the 7th century Arabia. Aisha’s marriage was seen as a political move in order to tie Muhammad to Abu Bakr’s family.’1
This custom of a betrothed young woman joining the household of a prominent male at her age was well accepted at the time. Joining the household did not mean that the relationship was sexual. This often occurred much later in the piece.
Applying the standards of 21st century western society to these events which occurred in the 7th century Arabia is an indication of your naivety or malice, or both. Frankly, it’s a smear. You could equally well smear Catholics by pointing out that The Blessed Virgin Mary , the mother of Jesus Christ, the mother of God, gave birth to her Son when she was about thirteen or fourteen years of age.2
“Sheik yer’mami is a scholar.”
Scholars don’t quote talk show hosts as factual sources.
“Islam is a socio-political ideology. Sharia is Islam. You can’t separate the two”.
I’ve obviously been misled when I studied Comparative Religion at the University of Queensland, and compared Islam with Christianity, Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism and Confucianism. Somebody needs to talk to the Faculty Dean – he’s obviously been misled as well.
You can be an observant Muslim without observing Sharia law. 450000 Australian Muslims will attest to that.
“You should know because you’re one”.
Actually I’m Catholic, or at least that’s what was written on the tags I wore around my neck in Vietnam.
1. Source – Karen Armstrong, Muhammad: a Biography of the Prophet (New York: Harper Collins Publishers 1992).
2. Source – The New Advent Catholic Encyclopaedia
You will not be wasting my time any more.

With that he took his bat and ball and went home.
This was disappointing. Arguing with him resembled shooting fish in a barrel.
My last comment was censored. A screen shot is at the top of the post. Click on the image it to read the text.

1 comment:

cav said...

You are incorrigible, 1735099

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