tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4203110337754630589.post1585506728493259572..comments2024-03-23T06:43:45.246+10:00Comments on 1735099: Deja VuUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4203110337754630589.post-17943153983794501582012-08-25T20:03:25.607+10:002012-08-25T20:03:25.607+10:00Point taken. The full text instead of the abstract...Point taken. The full text instead of the abstract makes interesting reading.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4203110337754630589.post-74965634736590159692012-08-25T09:33:29.168+10:002012-08-25T09:33:29.168+10:00"This indicates...."
Really? To what do ..."This indicates...."<br />Really? To what do you think "assaults" refers.<br />Read it again - carefully - concentrate.1735099https://www.blogger.com/profile/17945140949290600423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4203110337754630589.post-10842149034789556692012-08-24T20:32:54.778+10:002012-08-24T20:32:54.778+10:00I'll take that as a win.I'll take that as a win.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4203110337754630589.post-71471738209382735552012-08-23T21:06:11.243+10:002012-08-23T21:06:11.243+10:00I am still waiting to read my replies.I am still waiting to read my replies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4203110337754630589.post-75972972118761112562012-08-20T16:41:10.024+10:002012-08-20T16:41:10.024+10:00From your source is the following...
"Design:...From your source is the following...<br />"Design: Mortality data were extracted from vital statistics for 1979–2000. Data on firearm related deaths that were unintentional deaths, assaults, suicides, and of undetermined intent were analyzed."<br />This indicates that murders, mass murders, lawful homicides and manslaughter stats were not included and therefore any resultant data or findings therefore also excluded these stats.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4203110337754630589.post-83466537037593054792012-08-20T05:27:09.743+10:002012-08-20T05:27:09.743+10:00"overall firearm related deaths"
And you..."overall firearm related deaths"<br />And you're telling me that mass homicides aren't a subset of overall firearm rekated deaths?<br />Bollocks.<br />And I'm still waiting for you to disprove the correlation.1735099https://www.blogger.com/profile/17945140949290600423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4203110337754630589.post-556432013423650302012-08-19T20:44:25.985+10:002012-08-19T20:44:25.985+10:00"Conclusion: Dramatic reductions in overall f..."Conclusion: Dramatic reductions in overall firearm related deaths and particularly suicides by firearms were achieved in the context of the implementation of strong regulatory reform" this is to be expected in a study that excludes your subject- mass homicide by firearms. Suicide is the only area that showed any significant down trends.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4203110337754630589.post-44084189021495379072012-08-19T06:18:57.133+10:002012-08-19T06:18:57.133+10:00Try - http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/content/27/2/2...Try - http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/content/27/2/214.full.pdf+html<br />And - http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=382310<br />And - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9170242<br />Also - A study directly comparing firearm homicide rates in Australia before and after the Port Arthur legislation - http://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/10/5/280.short<br />To quote from conclusion of the last report - Dramatic reductions in overall firearm related deaths and particularly suicides by firearms were achieved in the context of the implementation of strong regulatory reform. <br />These are all scholarly researched studies, not opinion pieces.<br />Notice a pattern?1735099https://www.blogger.com/profile/17945140949290600423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4203110337754630589.post-81244647991913299432012-08-19T05:59:48.003+10:002012-08-19T05:59:48.003+10:00"The source you quote does not suggest the re..."The source you quote does not suggest the removal of firearms from the populace"<br />No, but anyone with common sense would conclude that it might help.1735099https://www.blogger.com/profile/17945140949290600423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4203110337754630589.post-55629561362056934172012-08-19T05:58:26.918+10:002012-08-19T05:58:26.918+10:00If you are unhappy with the stats I've found, ...If you are unhappy with the stats I've found, you need to provide some that show no correlation between firearm deaths and gun legislation to substantiate what I think is your argument.1735099https://www.blogger.com/profile/17945140949290600423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4203110337754630589.post-54307943164951156342012-08-19T01:12:16.752+10:002012-08-19T01:12:16.752+10:00Another interesting thing to note is that the stud...Another interesting thing to note is that the study you have quoted indicates that <br />"Following are gun safety recommendations of the National Rifle Association which MedicineNet editors suggest those using guns note.<br /><br />The three fundamental rules of gun safety must always be applied simultaneously when handling or using a gun:<br /><br />1.Always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.<br />2.Always keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.<br />3.Always keep the gun unloaded until ready to use.<br />The following gun safety rules should also be observed when using or storing a gun:<br /><br />Know your target and what is beyond. <br />Be sure the gun is safe to operate.<br />Know how to use the gun safely.<br />Use only the correct ammunition for your gun.<br />Wear hearing and eye protection as appropriate.<br />Never use alcohol or drugs before or while shooting.<br />Store guns so they are not accessible to unauthorized persons.<br />Be aware that certain types of guns and many shooting activities require additional safety precautions"<br />The source you quote does not suggest the removal of firearms from the populace, merely safe handling and storage as quoted from people you see as "gun lobbyists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4203110337754630589.post-6805701042641646792012-08-19T01:03:57.984+10:002012-08-19T01:03:57.984+10:00"The United States leads the world's rich..."The United States leads the world's richest nations in gun deaths" cut and pasted from your source and yes the yanks are there for all to see, but there are no records for middle east, Africa, Russia, India, China and a large part of Asia. In the absence of wider ranging stats it is a bit harsh to suggest that the yanks are the bees knees in killing each other with firearms. You are selective in sourcing statistics to back up your claims, which reduces your credibility as a knowledgeable person . Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4203110337754630589.post-4982608424266637382012-08-18T17:08:00.273+10:002012-08-18T17:08:00.273+10:00"some figures for mass shootings in other cou..."some figures for mass shootings in other countries"<br />Comparative figures on gun deaths per head of population posted here (on a medical website with no political skin in the game) are revealing - http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=6166<br />Note which country heads the list.... 1735099https://www.blogger.com/profile/17945140949290600423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4203110337754630589.post-89281129310141651172012-08-18T16:55:12.311+10:002012-08-18T16:55:12.311+10:00Yep that's correct but your original post quot...Yep that's correct but your original post quoted figures that I cannot find and in my search the comparison figures for NZ and Oz were handy. Mass murders by firearms in Australia between 86 and 96.<br />Can you get some figures for mass shootings in other countries or is your fixation confined to easily acquired figures.<br />If you read the comparison fully you will note that so called experts indicate that the reduction in Australia of semi-auto, pump action weapons has been claimed as the reason for reducing mass murder by firearm but then in NZ these weapons were not removed from the public and the comparative figures followed the same trend in reduced numbers of mass murders over the same years as the study covered.<br />Your cry of irrelevance is not consistent with you call for the <br />further restriction on firearms. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4203110337754630589.post-28728364479539202172012-08-17T17:12:56.055+10:002012-08-17T17:12:56.055+10:00Comparing figures between NZ and Australia has no ...Comparing figures between NZ and Australia has no relevance to the situation in the USA.<br />Since I posted that in 2007, there's been Virginia Tech, Fort Hood,Denver, Aurora and the most recent at the Sikh temple in Wisconsin. <br />When will they ever learn? 1735099https://www.blogger.com/profile/17945140949290600423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4203110337754630589.post-81053757014229641932012-08-17T16:01:13.416+10:002012-08-17T16:01:13.416+10:00Seems to be discrepancy in shooting mass murders b...Seems to be discrepancy in shooting mass murders between the quoted source (for years 86 to 96) and a study done at http://www.cjcj.org/files/Mass_shootings.pdf <br />Can you source correct figures before posting?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com